A Meeting with Laurie Conrad by Diana Souza. Ithaca, New York.
Q Laurie, the main inquiry I’d like to pose – I might want to comprehend what you mean by the expressions “remaining in my heart” and “I glimpsed inside and discovered him in the otherworldly heart”. You expressed: “I was remaining in my Heart. My Heart was surrounding me in the room, encompassing me. I could do minimal more than check out the room at all that was showing from my Heart, interested and pondering.”
A The entry you simply read was about my involvement with the savvy Paul Brunton, right around thirty years prior. When I state “I glimpsed inside and discovered him in the profound heart”… There is the physical heart that pulsates and gives us life, and there is additionally an otherworldly Heart where clairvoyants regularly go to discover their pictures. You could state that it is the place the spirit, the individual soul has its puzzling association with the Celestial, to God.
So the awesome pictures, the pictures that are given to the spirit by the Celestial, are first gotten by the spirit in what I would call the otherworldly Heart. I am not by any means the only individual to utilize that term – I didn’t concoct that vocabulary. The profound Heart is a mysterious term.
At the point when the extrasensory or spiritualist is perceptively observing into different domains or taking advantage of things to come, or seeing or going to different places on earth while in waking state cognizance or in dream state, they are frequently looking in the profound Heart to discover these pictures. I trust that many, if not the vast majority have these encounters while in dream state, they are simply not mindful of it. In any case, clairvoyants can go there while in conventional waking state awareness to discover these pictures of different domains or different places on earth or what’s to come.
Q The normal peruser is going to think about how your heart could be in the room surrounding you?
A Well, I contemplate that myself. It is a piece of that stupendous puzzle of Life. I have had a comparative involvement with music, where I will all of a sudden be in my heart, remaining in that magical Heart, and the notes to my pieces will be surrounding me. So I guess that I go to a comparative spot when I am translating Chopin or composing my music. I don’t have the foggiest idea about that we can truly clarify these things. When you contemplate, on the off chance that you ponder, I think it is more obvious this. Truth be told, it may be extremely hard to clarify or depict it for individuals who don’t ponder.
The profound Heart is for the most part accepted to be situated in the seat of the spirit. I would say, it is generally where the physical heart is, and more in the focal point of my body. The spirit itself is so past the cutoff points and limits of our physical body, we can’t start to envision the greatness of the spirit. So my own self, alongside my individual little personality – was sitting in that live with the incredible sage Paul Brunton. He was close to an amazing finish on earth and he was completely illuminated. A Christian would most likely say that he had achieved sainthood. In the Indian conventions, they would state that he was completely edified. In his quality, I had this huge mysterious experience, where I encountered the substance of my heart surrounding me in the room – just as I were in a profound, propelled reflection or consideration.
I had just been reflecting, I think, for a couple of months when I met him. So it was an entirely important and lucky experience.
This human body that we are in, contrasted with the spirit – and the physical cerebrum contrasted with Cognizance Itself – are little in correlation. In this way, I may have been permitted to encounter my Heart around me, filling the entire space to show me this. I may have been given the experience with the goal that I could see and comprehend that we are for the most part such a great amount of greater than we trust ourselves to be, that the Spirit is monstrous. There are different implications to this event also, implications that we would not possess energy for in this meeting. It was an enchanted encounter. It’s not something we people can without much of a stretch discover words for.
Q You additionally said that you initially met the Dalai Lama in your fantasies, before you even knew his identity. Later you met him face to face. Disclose to us your impressions of the Dalai Lama. Tales…
An Our Sacredness, the Dalai Lama of Tibet. Indeed, he is an unprecedented individual. I have seen him and met with him in a gathering setting ordinarily. One of the main things that struck me is his unbelievable comical inclination – and his enormous bliss. The following thing that I saw was his uncommon sincerity and reality at whatever point he talks about supplication. He and his priests are continually petitioning God for the world. He is an unassuming and blessed man. What’s more, I cherish that juxtaposition of those two qualities of his identity, the silliness and the heavenliness. He is said to be the manifestation of Sympathy, and everything that he says and does rotates around the higher Empathy.
When he talks about the higher Empathy, it is constantly joined with Knowledge – the Higher Insight which generally relates to the Astuteness of the Catholics and different religions: that we are not the body, that the material world isn’t Extreme Reality. This higher Sympathy isn’t the normal, nostalgic feeling a great many people call empathy; Paul Brunton would call that feeling, or the wistfulness of sympathy, the lower octave of genuine Sympathy. The Dalai Lama would state that genuine Sympathy likewise incorporates this higher Knowledge. By applying Knowledge, we would have Empathy for each conscious being, each being on earth – in light of the fact that they are in the body, and along these lines, endure. That is the genuine Sympathy. This Empathy would likewise incorporate the view that you stop individuals on the off chance that they are carrying on seriously, in light of the fact that in their terrible conduct they are harming themselves as well as other people. In this way, in this meaning of Empathy, Shrewdness remains out of sight in a cherishing, withdrew way. The Observer position, suppose, of Paul Brunton, when we can obviously observe what is really best for everybody in the circumstance. That is genuine Empathy.
All in all, we people go to the world mostly from our own contemplations and lower feelings. The huge Educators, for example, the Dalai Lama and the sages, the holy people – they are on the whole endeavoring to get us to originate from a higher position, the higher octave of all the individual feelings. Brunton talks about this finally in his Note pads, and the Dalai Lama additionally has composed numerous volumes of books.
With respect to tales, I wouldn’t realize where to start. Chiefly I recollect his chuckling, his euphoria. Next the hallowedness that he carries with him. The clearness of his brain. The first occasion when I was in a similar stay with him, I clairaudiently heard an exceptionally low tone wherever in the room, vibrating the whole room – maybe it was the vitality of his very being, or his mantra, his internal petitions. I had not heard that wonder before that day, nor since, not even while in his essence.
Q I recall a story you told about the Dalai Lama coming and clearing a space where he would talk, with a tempest?
An Indeed, that was in Boston, when he talked at Harvard. A companion and I were remaining at Mataji’s ashram for a couple of days. I trust Mataji took over for Ramakrishna. She had an ashram close Boston, and we had chosen to remain there rather than at an inn in Boston. We had come to hear the Dalai Lama when he talked at Harvard.
I don’t have the foggiest idea what year this was, however it was numerous years back. It was one of the Dalai Lama’s first visits to this nation. Mataji sent three of us ahead, to mastermind a gathering among her and the Dalai Lama just before the address. She had never met him. So she sent us ahead to converse with his escort, and mastermind it. I generally thought this uncommon task was a trick or something to that affect – Mataji was completely edified, she didn’t have to send three youthful human searchers to organize this gathering with the Dalai Lama. She and the Dalai Lama were consummately ready to organize it themselves, through non-verbal correspondence, rationally. As it turned out, the young lady driving us there had met Paul Brunton in dreams all through her youth – as I had chatted with the Dalai Lama first in dreams as a grown-up. In those fantasies, Brunton trained her. She discovered his identity years after the fact, when she saw his photo in a book. That was most likely why Mataji sent us ahead together, with the goal that my companion and I would meet this young lady and hear her story. Additionally that I would encounter the tempest, to one day recount to the story in this meeting. Mataji, similar to Paul Brunton, was splendidly ready to see into what’s to come.
Regardless, the three of every one of us got into a little vehicle, an old, very pummeled vehicle that we trusted would get us there. Furthermore, we got there sufficiently early to organize a gathering between the exceptional Mataji and the righteous Dalai Lama.
After we had completed the process of talking with his kin, they promptly consented to the gathering, and we were satisfied and cheerful that our central goal had been practiced so effectively. I chose to go outside independent from anyone else to hang tight for Mataji to arrive. It was a delightful, quiet, late-summer day. The sun was sparkling and there I was, on the excellent Harvard grounds; I had never been there. Understudies were sitting under the trees examining, or walking around or from their classes along the ways. I left the address building entryway a little way and joyfully remained there, taking in the excellence of the scene. Abruptly, an enormous tempest came up; an exceptional and amazing, stunning breeze. Understudies’ papers were flying all over the place, branches waving all over, the trees were nearly bowing. I endeavored to take cover against an enormous tree close to the entryway, wind and leaves flying, understudies currently rushing along the ways, twisted around against the tempest, attempting to recover their dispersed papers. It was very something. It felt like I had unintentionally ventured into a vacuum cleaner or a clothes washer.